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by Rudi Ferris
Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:22 pm
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: Creep - Is it a fault?
Replies: 424
Views: 38175

Hi Jim, I'm with you there, Rudi. I should't even be posting on this board with all the MCI's and long experienced instructors here. I don’t see why not. This question was about creep and what it is and isn’t. One doesn’t have to be a certified casting instructor to have a developed view of this. B...
by Rudi Ferris
Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:50 pm
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: Creep - Is it a fault?
Replies: 424
Views: 38175

FWIW: Mark makes a good point about the creep he sees from beginners….it can’t be slide. These wouldbe flycasters are taught as all of you do: stroke, stop, pause, unrolling and reversal. As I have said, I like the straightening tug cue. While the tug becomes perceivably slighter with a drifted rod...
by Rudi Ferris
Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:42 am
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: Core Definitions
Replies: 859
Views: 58547

That’s interesting Paul.

That middle market (though it apparently isn’t a market) would be huge. The vast proportion of flycasters. Don't you think?
by Rudi Ferris
Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:13 am
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: Creep - Is it a fault?
Replies: 424
Views: 38175

I am with Lasse, whom I suspect to be a very fine casting instructor. Why even mention creep? Why not just instruct in a manner to establish good loops and reversal timing? It’s your guy's trade and I suspect you are very good at it, but in my experience of instruction in several fields, the simple...
by Rudi Ferris
Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:25 pm
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: Creep - Is it a fault?
Replies: 424
Views: 38175

Hi Bernd, a last thought for the moment. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDcH1YJ5VfQ In this video, you'll see Bart sliding on both the back and front strokes. We both admire his casting and the wonderful effects he gets with that compact stroke. This creep/slide issue is very difficult. It requi...
by Rudi Ferris
Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:45 pm
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: Creep - Is it a fault?
Replies: 424
Views: 38175

Hi Bernd, To me, the separation between useful slide and not useful creep can be difficult to see. I agree with Stoat about creep being a control problem. When we are wondering about the separation of Slide from Creep, it seems to me to be a timing problem. Normally, and here on S’loops, creep is s...
by Rudi Ferris
Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:57 am
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: Creep - Is it a fault?
Replies: 424
Views: 38175

I agree, creep is a fault. But it needs definition and its effects carefully examined because not all early rod movement into the stroke is creep. -------------------------- FWIW, and because I didn’t want to get involved in the Definitions thread… I coach the elimination of creep by the saying: “S...
by Rudi Ferris
Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:23 pm
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: casting slow and fast rods - and what to adjust
Replies: 124
Views: 23429

Yes Ken, Ha! :D We are worse than cats with our stick/feather fascination. Hell, oftentimes a cat will only have a keen interest in that muse when it’s young. I’ve been a fool for the gear going on 46 years! :p ---------------------- I agree about the loop deformation Ken, but a good caster can kee...
by Rudi Ferris
Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:26 pm
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: casting slow and fast rods - and what to adjust
Replies: 124
Views: 23429

(umm) No mate, Ken said on post #44

I really enjoyed Magnus' question to me about defining over-loading the rod. I'm still working on that one! LOL

Just trying to help you guys out. But you don't think this has bearing on the conversation? I do :)
by Rudi Ferris
Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:51 pm
Forum: Flycasting
Topic: casting slow and fast rods - and what to adjust
Replies: 124
Views: 23429

Hi Ken and Magnus I really enjoyed Magnus' question to me about defining over-loading the rod. I'm still working on that one! LOL FWIW, I define this very simply for myself and I don’t see why everyone doesn’t use a similar definition. But in fact, I think they do. :) A rod is overloaded (a fly rod...
by Rudi Ferris
Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:28 am
Forum: Technical Analysis
Topic: Counterflex reduction - via rod hand path during the stroke?
Replies: 36
Views: 7592

No, no Gordy; I don’t think damping the rod at counter flex is insubstantial at all. For just elementary good flycasting it is crucial. I began my casting in the fiberglass era with actually very difficult rods to control, so I am appreciative. These bloody things could frantically wobble to and fr...
by Rudi Ferris
Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:29 pm
Forum: Technical Analysis
Topic: Counterflex reduction - via rod hand path during the stroke?
Replies: 36
Views: 7592

Thanks Gordy, I get weary of calling “hand waving” any argument that isn’t accompanied by graphs or numbers. I think experience and intuition can take us a very long ways, and already has. But please don’t think I am anti-science. I’ve done a bit of research and data collection for seabird biology,...
by Rudi Ferris
Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:26 am
Forum: Technical Analysis
Topic: Counterflex reduction - via rod hand path during the stroke?
Replies: 36
Views: 7592

Hi Bernd, Damping the rod, or actions after the stop (a perfectly useful subject) wasn’t what I think Al Kyte was trying to illustrate. To me, his illustration implies different hand paths into the stop. Do you think? Hi Gordy, In my experience here, the engineers absolutely require hand waving; ot...
by Rudi Ferris
Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:23 pm
Forum: Technical Analysis
Topic: Counterflex reduction - via rod hand path during the stroke?
Replies: 36
Views: 7592

Thanks Bernd, I respect Al Kyte a lot, perhaps more than many other flycasting “authorities.” But while the red arrows showing the caster’s hand direction into the stop definitely gets the idea across, what remains unexplained is what happened before the arrows. Given the necessary rotation for the...
by Rudi Ferris
Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:43 pm
Forum: Technical Analysis
Topic: Counterflex reduction - via rod hand path during the stroke?
Replies: 36
Views: 7592

Hi Bernd, I always thought that it was accepted that a change in angle of one’s stroke can affect counterflex and thus loop shape. And this is commonly why we see “thrusting” or “spearing” of the stroke. Interestingly, to do such spearing, it seems that the caster has to rotate earlier and I think ...