Hi everyone,
some years after Bill came up with his CCS measurments and lots of people using it, I was wondering what the trends are in numbers.
What rods do we like?
Here are the graphs including all datas of the CCS and the Sexyloops database.
Maybe this is interesting for some of you, too.
For the AA ratios I used Bill's scale.
Greets
Bernd
p.s. Thanks to all who have been involved here!
Going by the data from the SL database - which incorporated much of the CCS database at one time btw - a typical SL user rod has a fast action which is slightly underlabeled (I assume that means on the lower end of the range of stiffness for a line class.)
Bernd - underlabeled is a new term as far as I know - not one I'll be adopting
Hi Magnus,
rod label = 5
CCS ERN: 5,5 - 6,4 = rod is "underlabeled" +1 (ERN +1)
CCS ERN: 6,5 - 7,4 = rod is underlabeled +2 (ERN +2)
CCS ERN: >7,4 = rod is underlabeled +3 or more
Underlabeled is just a word I used here .
SL database:
58% fast action rods & 60% ERN +1 or + 2
So for about 60% we like pretty stiff fast action rods.
Having a look to the current offer on the Sage website:
I found 16 different rod families.
"fast action" = 8
"ultra fast" = 2
"agressive fast" = 1
"medium fast" = 2
"moderate fast" = 1
"moderate action" = 1
"medium action" = 1
= 69% fast to agressive fast action
interesting findings Bernd
what would make it most interesting is to know the line/rod relationships most people are using. (matching line to rod rating or under/overlining)
Hi Marc,
actually I think that is a very easy task:
90% use a 5wt. line on a (so labeled) 5 wt. rod.
I have weighted quite many lines over the years to check it's real AFFTA compared to what the label said.
Many lines are on the edge (or slightly above the edge) to the next higher AFFTA class.
So there seems to be a tendency to underlabel the lines, too.
After all there is lots of sense to (in general) recommend using a (real) 5wt. line on a ERN 5wt. rod.
I am pretty sure that this would be the main finding of your task.
Agree?
Greets
Bernd
After all there is lots of sense to (in general) recommend using a (real) 5wt. line on a ERN 5wt. rod.
I am pretty sure that this would be the main finding of your task.
Agree?
yup ! but i'm pretty sure that most will keep on using the line rating recommended by the manufacturer which kinda blows the whole CCS thing away... :closedeyes:
I think it does not cause most will use the rod rating labeled on the rod, too.
The current CCS data is helpful to compare rods. If one wants to use it to adjust rod and line he should use this one, too: http://www.common-cents.info/part4.pdf
(Well I personally prefer a modern type of scale. :p )
I am wondering what a stiff slow action rod will provide compared with a stiff fast action rod?
(besides most stiff rods offer a fast action and not a slow action anyway)
A given ERN (stiffness) which rod action would you perfer and why?
Bernd,
Interesting differences in the speed preferences of Sexyloopers vs the wider sampling in the CCS data base.
Here is another comparison of the rod speed factor distribution in Theo Matschewsky's 15 degree database
His power factor quantifier for rating the "speed" of rods is a bit fuzzier than when Ludwig Reihm measured it directly, but this distribution appears to center around medium action rods.
When Ludwig Reihm did his recovery time measurements he found that very few rods had average tip speed values of 2.2 m/s or greater when released from the 15 degree deflection point. For a time the only rods that were that "fast" used the solid tips that were produced by Theo.
As Mr. Reihm about his direct speed method:
One can divide this speed factor into 3 groups. Up to Speedfactor 1,6 is slow rods. If the speed factor of 1.7 to 2.2, is a medium-speed and speed factor of over 2.2 is called fast rods. The term "Fast Rod" is herewith the first time exactly defined!
His measurement method required some complicated electronics, but using the capabilities of today's high speed video cameras you could actually get a peak speed rather than the average speed value he calculated.
Gordy
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