Roll Casting

[Ben_D]

Frunk,

Where & when would you choose to use a roll cast?

Cheers

Ben

[Frank LoPresti]

When I needed to, why do you ask ?

[Ben_D]

When I needed to, why do you ask ?

Was wondering how the grass demos on your website would transfer to water?

Cheers

Ben

[Frank LoPresti]

I duuno Bun. How do you think any roll cast demo done on grass might transfer to water ?

[Ben_D]

I can manage to use the same techniques as I would on water albeit the cast will not go as far as it would on water but the method will transfer. I'm wondering if you would teach that method of roll casting to a student wanting to use roll casts in a fishing situation?

CHeers

Ben

[Frank LoPresti]

It's demo on grass to give folks a general idea of what it should look like for the exam. It's not a method Ben, it's only a demo.

Frank

[Ben_D]

Serious question here Frank, are those clips what is expected for FFF assessments rather than a cast that would work on water?

Cheers

Ben

[Frank LoPresti]

As you know the test is given on a field. It''s simply an approximate guide as to how one might perform the cast under that condition. No two casts or casters are ever alike. I chose the cast would convey a simple task that is all. As to assessing the cast on the exam it's not so much technique based as you simply demonstrate the cast. Same applies to Double or Single Spey demos. Just basic stuff, no razzle dazzle for the demo. In the teaching portion of the exam your free to do whatever you like.

Frank

[Lasse Karlsson]

Hi Frank

Check in with the CI commitee if those rolls are accepted in a test please, and please do read the new MCI test again

Cheers
Lasse

[Frank LoPresti]

Lasse,

Well there is a bit of a crossed anchor in the single spey but the loop unrolls cleanly. Whatever. But no, the site has not been updated as to the new MCI stuff. But anyone who looks at the site and is taking the MCI exam would know that. Aside from the fact the only roll casts that are acceptable are those actually done on the test and either you can make the casts or you cannot. As to the new ones they are there on the MCI test sheet but not on the site. We shot a lot of different casts, some are more better than others. Everyone that has used the site has just said thanks hey that's great. I have no problem with that

Frank

[Lasse Karlsson]

Hi Frank

You have casts on the CI test that will not be passed.
And there's candidates out there using your site as reference only to find out that what they have practiced is not allowed.

Cheers
Lasse

[Ben_D]

Aside from the fact the only roll casts that are acceptable are those actually done on the test and either you can make the casts or you cannot.

So the only roll casts that are acceptable are roll casts that will transfer poorly, if at all to water? Is the expectation in the examinations that you dump a pile of line behind the rod and smack it forwards or to set up a roll cast showing proper form (I mean proper in the sense that it could be used somewhere other than a football field) that may not go so well on grass? Surely it would be "more better" to have candidates demonstrate a useable, fishable cast?

Cheers

Ben

[Frank LoPresti]

Hi Frank

You have casts on the CI test that will not be passed.
And there's candidates out there using your site as reference only to find out that what they have practiced is not allowed.

Cheers
Lasse

Lasse,

And guess what ? No one has ever failed an exam on account of those casts on the site. I suspect no one ever will either. So while I appreciate your concern and value your opinion the rest is unfounded.


Best,
Frank

P.S. I'm quite a bit more concerned about what some potential CI's and MCI's are gleaning from SL about casting mechanics and tip paths. I'd be really more concerned about that right now.

[Dave the Jackal]

Hi Frank et al

Could you post a link to the demos referred to please? Many thanks

Not-Really-Dave

[Aitor]

Not required by any of the FFF tests, but my favorite anyway.