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About BC I was told (by locals) that there was a huge discussion about the high fishing pressure on weekends that a lot of locals did not like at all.
I was told that this was the start of what has ended in such rule for foreigners.


A mandatory guide as a rule to reduce fishing pressure, that is a weird one. It means that you expect that this rule will make the destination less popular.

I don't fish with a guide, because solving the puzzle of a fishing spot is a very important part of the experience for me. Besides, it took me well over thirty years to find four or five people with whom I would like to fish more than a couple of days in a row. So the whole concept of paying a complete stranger to join my group eludes me. I find a manatory guide rule extremely unhospitable and elitist.
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It's not because it's dangerous. The reason is poaching and not
following the fishing regulations. These guys in Slovenia take care of their fish, hucho especially, and had some bad experiences in former Yugoslavia. That is the main reason why they have introduced such rule many years ago. However this slovenian guides are skilled anglers and very pleasant company. They know every fish in the river and can certainly help in case of some unexpected troubles.


Isn't it a it naive to think that the big poaching threat on a Slovenian river comes from visiting tourists? I know of several cases where fishing guides doubled as poachers in their spare time.
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I suggest the Jedi Mind Trick Paul...

"I don't need a guide. I can carry on with my fishing. These aren't the Droids you're looking for" :D :D :D
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THE DOG wrote:Paul, and that confuses you in fishing with a guide? I ask as a guide)))
We have rules on the rivers mandatory fishing with a guide and at the same time, there are options when the guide is not necessary.
I often fish with guides - I have many friends who guide and we have a great time fishing together. But most of the time I like to fish alone. And I don't want to have to fish with a guide. I've always felt that fishing was best as a solitary pursuit.
A mandatory guide as a rule to reduce fishing pressure, that is a weird one. It means that you expect that this rule will make the destination less popular.

Absolutely. In BC they have rivers where non-BC residents have to pay extra per day. I find that very unwelcoming, which is unfortunate because the locals are all very nice. Consequently I don't fish there now.

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Paul Arden wrote:And I don't want to have to fish with a guide. I've always felt that fishing was best as a solitary pursuit.

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fly fishing is about free spirit. being forced to be accompanied by someone you hardly know is no good to me.
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Top two of guide cockups from my experience:
A guide who dropped anchor at a spot because it was teaming with fish. He had his fish finder on display mode and didn't know that. We had to give him a quick workshop on how to use his electronics.
Another guide pointed out a fishing spot on a chart I brought, that wasn't from the area we were fishing. It wasn't even from the same country.

There are a lot of very good guides and like all businesses: it is a question of demand and supply I guess. Not for me though. I like to fish in solitude of with very good friends and I take for granted the few spots or fish I am missing by doing it DIY.
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I rely on guiding to make a living, not a fan of having to take one, but the "tourist" economy of some regions is different. The lot of most guides is that If the client catches fish he's a brilliant angler if not you are a crap guide.
However if he/she gets eaten by a f****ng bear or lost in the back country of some remote area. Emergency services don't come cheap or even exist in some places.

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would it be save with a Ak-47 in the Bear country?
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Of course if I had to hire a couple of net bitches to accompany me I would consider that.
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BC has a weird system- guides required to fish migratory fish in some places (even for Canadians), and in other places you just have to pay extra- no guide required. They argue that it is about protecting the resource, but I think it is truly about protecting the industry.
In Newfoundland it is the same.
None of that makes sense if you don't have mandatory guide licensing and registration like Alberta. Here it is a free for all with anybody calling themselves a guide- whether they can fish or not.

I've fished with a guide a couple of times- once it was more like fishing with a friend. A great time.

The other time the guide dropped the anchor on my line while I was playing a fish (lost the fish :( ), put us into the rocks on the side I was landing a fish (lost the fish :angry: ), and got angry when I was using de-barbed hooks :glare: .

I would prefer not to pay to fish with friends nor pay to fish with somebody who makes the trip less fun.

But If I was in a new area, I would pay for a guide with a good reputation to shorten my learning curve- I just don't want to be forced into it every time I fish there.
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I understand many who want to go fishing alone. But I think this is not always justified.
In any case, on the river where I work with a fishing guide is mandatory rule, but sometimes there are exceptions and of course very rare.
We have not this look like fishing with a friend))) guide works and is very serious.
There are many reasons why you should not give up leadership.
You are in a totally wild, where before people can only get helicopter,nature very cold, fast rivers. Get lost, get injured, fall into the water, to meet a bear, etc. There are many probabilities. Most banal unsuccessfully come and twist or break a leg. Where to find you? how long you hang yourself with an injury? Do you have experience of survival in the wild tundra, have everything you need? If you had an attack of the heart?
It is clear you are a tough guy with steel balls and are willing to take risks, but what will be the reputation of the company in which people die on tour?
Personally, I have to save people more than once.
Moreover, even for the lodge staff and guides the movement of one outside the lodge is prohibited! At least someone should be able to call for help or to talk about how you died.
The next moment, the company certainly interested guests to catch more fish, and there's always a good guide to help.V end, you paid good money for the tour and stupid fish where there is none or to catch on to the fact that it does not take. Guide has operational information on the river, he knows where and what are biting today, and not in the last year. If you do not need advice and you do not want anyone near, say, and it just would go away from you)))
The company is interested in the same for the fish survived after being caught as much as possible, hoping that the guest is always correctly revives the fish, well let her go, well it does not lead out of the water breaking on rocks, well take a photo of one minute, not for 15 minutes, the company is stupid. Examples of when it's done wrong mass.
Guide will ask you not to use too light tackle and light line if there is a chance to catch a trophy. He will take the trophy in the landing net. Not all anglers fish lending wisely it is not strange.
The company is interested in the preservation of nature because people pay money for the tour in the wild places, and not in a landfill. And it is also controls guide. He will not allow you to start a fire where you want, just a special place, do not allow to cut the tree or scrape with a bark for kindling, will leave after lunch single piece of paper. If you smoke a cigarette and drop to the ground, he asked not to do all week and will follow up on this. If necessary, it will pick up that cigarette, but the pig will not allow. Unfortunately examples where fishermen on the river is wild pigs behave like very much and even some well-known instructors. After one of them had to clean the river two weeks of cigarettes. Kkompaniya let this man go fishing without a guide, because he is very experienced and trainer, too. Then all very much regretted. And later I found on youtube clip it to the barbaric treatment of fish.

So the Lord guide is not always bad)))
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I agree there are places you should have a guide.
And there are situations where it is better for the fish.

And some people are always better off Supervised!

But to make some people have a guide (Non-residents) and not others (residents) is not about the fish or safety. If that was the case there would be mandatory education about fish (handling, gear selection, and identification) and/or a area safety course (wilderness First Aid, Bear safety, mapping) for everybody that goes there.

I have worked in areas where polar bears were moving through camps and you couldn't go between buildings without an escort- but then they let you take a truck or drop you off from a helicopter alone on the tundra outside of radio range and leave you for hours.

Those situations seem hypocritical.
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Of course there are risks in fishing, but it should be up to the individual whether he wishes to take those risks. Regulations that you must take a guide, lest you harm yourself, I am absolutely against. And personally I don't believe it; I think in most instances it's used as an excuse to commercially lock down a fishery.

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Post by Thomas »

Jeroen wrote:


I don't fish with a guide, because solving the puzzle of a fishing spot is a very important part of the experience for me. Besides, it took me well over thirty years to find four or five people with whom I would like to fish more than a couple of days in a row. So the whole concept of paying a complete stranger to join my group eludes me. I find a manatory guide rule extremely unhospitable and elitist.
Agree.

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Paul Arden wrote:Of course there are risks in fishing, but it should be up to the individual whether he wishes to take those risks. Regulations that you must take a guide, lest you harm yourself, I am absolutely against. And personally I don't believe it; I think in most instances it's used as an excuse to commercially lock down a fishery.

Cheers, Paul
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