I've thrown a lot of heavy (9 and 10) RIO Outbound lines here and there in the last few years, and thought they were extremely clumsy. I did get on well with one Snakehead fishing last September, being good for close quick shots but not for distance... and then I tried Aitor's seven, coupled on an 8-weight rod...
Bloody hell, what a difference. It certainly flies, it's stable, has no hinging problems. A very nice line indeed. Which makes me think that there is a very important relationship between head weight/diameter and shooting line diameter.
It's definitely up there in line weights. I also threw the Outbound eight (sorry I don't know the grains, Bernd and Aitor know this stuff) and found the eight too heavy for the rod. It still cast well of course.
Bernd's SA streamer express was a nice line too. The problem is you need a bucket to cast these things.
Cheers, Paul
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Outbound short intermedium,sink rate 1 (the only one I have) is 330 grains(21g),
I was casting it on Echo S3 #8, wasnt happy with my loops at all,a lot of hinging, i slow down my casting a lot and opened my loops, with 2 fals cast I reached nice distance with satisfing loops.
Today I started my 27g shooting head-seatrout distance exercise. That is wirdo (first time). I will start new thread on this.
Cheers
mike
I was casting it on Echo S3 #8, wasnt happy with my loops at all,a lot of hinging, i slow down my casting a lot and opened my loops, with 2 fals cast I reached nice distance with satisfing loops.
Today I started my 27g shooting head-seatrout distance exercise. That is wirdo (first time). I will start new thread on this.
Cheers
mike
Hi Paul,
the Outbound is like a shooting head, right?
At least the specs indicate that.
For shooting heads I'm using the rule of thumb 1 - 2 classes above the recommened line for the rod equals the shooting head weight. You can find this simple recipe also often in the literature. This works at least well for my casting style and heads in the 9 - 11 m range (or 30-35ft.)
A short look in the AFTMA table:
http://www.sexyloops.com/glossary/aftm.shtml
The weight of 330 grains for an Outbound 8 equals #11, or 3 classes above an #8. That would be too heavy for me, but I know there are some guys who like such a combination.
I don't like the taper that much. I've build heads with a similar taper and they're much easier to cast reversed They're good for really big flies - but IMHO a symmetrical taper works just as well and has a nicer presentation.
Bye,
Torsten
the Outbound is like a shooting head, right?
At least the specs indicate that.
For shooting heads I'm using the rule of thumb 1 - 2 classes above the recommened line for the rod equals the shooting head weight. You can find this simple recipe also often in the literature. This works at least well for my casting style and heads in the 9 - 11 m range (or 30-35ft.)
A short look in the AFTMA table:
http://www.sexyloops.com/glossary/aftm.shtml
The weight of 330 grains for an Outbound 8 equals #11, or 3 classes above an #8. That would be too heavy for me, but I know there are some guys who like such a combination.
I don't like the taper that much. I've build heads with a similar taper and they're much easier to cast reversed They're good for really big flies - but IMHO a symmetrical taper works just as well and has a nicer presentation.
Bye,
Torsten
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I have not seen OutBound or OB Short which has the profile it has in the picture. I have four and three of them have slightly more weight in the rear half of the head than the front half. My OB heads are level with short front and rear tapers.
I do simple weighing for the lines I buy. I find where the rear taper becomes as thin as the tip of line. Then fold the head in two to find a middle point and mark it with permanent marker. Then coil both halves and weight them in a cup. It is easy to learn to keep "the other coiled half" in hand so that there is about 10cm of line parallel between cup and hand and the heads middle point in the middle so that line stiffness does not affect scale reading. When 1/2+1/2=total head weight it is done right. Of course when weighting the rear half there is also coiled running line in the other hand.
Experienced caster can feel the line behavior what can be weighted as well. There is big difference between over head lines and Scandi Spey shooting heads which can have almost 2/3 of their weight in the rear half.
Esa
I do simple weighing for the lines I buy. I find where the rear taper becomes as thin as the tip of line. Then fold the head in two to find a middle point and mark it with permanent marker. Then coil both halves and weight them in a cup. It is easy to learn to keep "the other coiled half" in hand so that there is about 10cm of line parallel between cup and hand and the heads middle point in the middle so that line stiffness does not affect scale reading. When 1/2+1/2=total head weight it is done right. Of course when weighting the rear half there is also coiled running line in the other hand.
Experienced caster can feel the line behavior what can be weighted as well. There is big difference between over head lines and Scandi Spey shooting heads which can have almost 2/3 of their weight in the rear half.
Esa
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My Outbounds are all quite old now, the floaters and intermediates definitely have a similar profile to what is shown by Rio on their site.
I have them in #6, #7 & #9. The lighter ones are nicer to use.
Put the #9 through a new rod a few days ago after not having used it for a while and it did feel too heavy. Don't think these things are designed for distance really bu the #9 will happily present reasonable files at over 100' with little effort all day.
Don't like the shorts at all, I would certainly go down a size with these, they feel far too heavy for me.
Cheers
Ben
I have them in #6, #7 & #9. The lighter ones are nicer to use.
Put the #9 through a new rod a few days ago after not having used it for a while and it did feel too heavy. Don't think these things are designed for distance really bu the #9 will happily present reasonable files at over 100' with little effort all day.
Don't like the shorts at all, I would certainly go down a size with these, they feel far too heavy for me.
Cheers
Ben
PaulPaul Arden wrote:Which makes me think that there is a very important relationship between head weight/diameter and shooting line diameter.
I think this is the relationship you are looking for:
http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw....nsities
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Vince
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