Preloading

[Gilly]

Ok, I'm trying to sharpen up and I'm reading a book on accuracy casting and it says that when shooting line, wait until you feel a tug on the line which preloads
the rod for the forward cast.
How? and Why would this be a good thing. I thought the rod had to be kept on slp.
Gilly

[victor]

All preload is Gilly is an over powered backcast that put's a bit of a bend in the rod as it straightens, or you pinch the line to stop the shoot and that will do the same thing. You can imagine how critical timing becomes. I don't like it. I have found that a really good back cast is what you are looking for. If you start to drop short of the target just check you are allowing the back cast to straighten before you are making your shot. Another tip is to decide what type of stroke you will use for accuracy and stick with it.

Pre load doesn't affect SLP, that's your job.


Mike

[Gilly]

Thanks Mike, that makes sense - I think.
So what is the advantage of the preload supposed to be?
G

[stesiik]

Hi Gilly!

Preload is not a very good term I think. There is nothing pre about it, it's part of the same casting stroke. If you do a pre-bend and then let the tip rise and then bend the rod again in the same casting stroke you usally get something you rarely want. :p

I think it´s more about tension? Getting in contact with the line?

Opposite to what Mike says I think it helps me a lot with both teaching and learning timing. Mike is becoming a "neat" caster now so my money is on he´ll soon be praising the surge/tug for micro timing. :laugh:

And I'll be claiming it does not exist when huffing and puffing on the lawn here. :laugh:

Reduction of slack and a marker for timing. Going into the stroke with the rodtip under a bit of tension from the line usally helps with a smooth application of power too.

Best Regards
Stefan

[Paul Arden]

Pre-load is a myth IMO. I watched one huge exponent cast using what he thought was pre-load, and it wasn't - he was casting like everyone else and any pre-load was unbending between Casting Strokes.

Cheers, Paul

[WetWading]

I'm with Paul. I'll believe it when I see it.


Chase

[victor]

I wish I was neat Stefan. I just like to try and keep it simple.

Mike

[Gilly]

OK, thanks guys, I'm much happier now. Timing and line tension are so important. I thought I was missing something fundamental.
I'm afraid I'm getting to that stage where I'm starting to break down everything and hopefully fine tune.
Ohh yes, there's going to be a lot of questions.......
and practise, practise and practise.
Thanks lol Gilly

[Paul Arden]

If it helps just say that Mike says that pre-load is bollocks. Rod loading is 15% of the cast. How much could "pre-load" possibly contribute anyway?

Here's an interesting observation: make a cast and see if you slip line just as the loop unrolls. I do almost all the time, subconsciously and to smoothen the transition between directions. (I don't for distance, but for different reasons - my rod is in line with the unrolling loop).

Cheers, Paul

[Aitor]

IMO given the same acceleration there ins't any difference in rod load at the end of the stroke between a cast with "preload" and one without it. So no difference in efficiency by any means.

[Marc LaMouche]

doesn't Steve Rajeff pre-load on his final B/C to F/C ?

not arguing, just curious.

cheers,
marc

[Whakamahi kid]

good for tailing loops from memory

[stesiik]

Hi guys!

Here is a bit of getting the power from the previous turnover to bend the rod for the next cast. Nothing pre about it I think, but you can make a very smooth near seamless turn of the cast with it.

This is a BC to 112 ft.

http://www.flycasting.chipmonk.se/Challenge_I.wmv

Best Regards
Stefan

[stesiik]

Hi Paul!

Here's an interesting observation: make a cast and see if you slip line just as the loop unrolls. I do almost all the time, subconsciously and to smoothen the transition between directions.

Do you have any idea why you do it more specifically? Why do you want to smoothen the turnover?

Best regards
Stefan

[Gilly]

Yes, I slip line without thinking about it, it just kinda feels nice. I guess smooth and chilled, but I'm not really sure why I do it.
Presumambly you don't do it for distance because (see if I can get this right) - you need as much tension and lne speed as possible to make the cast. God, am I talking bollocks - where's Mike ,he's always nice to me.
Stefan - I can't see your link?