Spey questions

slack · Post by **slack** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:05 am

For spey single handed questions would I do better to address these questions to fly casting or 2 handed Thanks slack

shielfisher · Post by **shielfisher** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:59 am

Fly casting makes sense.

Marc LaMouche · Post by **Marc LaMouche** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:19 am

agree. technically speaking, speys are casts, not a handle form.

randyflycaster · Post by **randyflycaster** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:34 pm

Two handed, IMHO. A single-handed spey cast, where we use line/water tension to load the rod, is much closer to a two-handed spey cast than to a traditional overhead single-handed cast (the weight of the line loads the rod)
Randy

akcaster · Post by **akcaster** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:48 pm

Fly Casting. Spey casting is a casting style which can be performed with either a single hand or two hand rod.

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:06 pm

The flycasting forum would be best, but a bit of chaos is always good

Cheers, Paul

Bernd · Post by **Bernd** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:59 am

randyflycaster wrote:A single-handed spey cast, where we use line/water tension to load the rod, is much closer to a two-handed spey cast than to a traditional overhead single-handed cast (the weight of the line loads the rod)
Randy

Hi Randy,
I use the water tension to avoid the water-leg of my loop to slide too fast and too early backwards when starting the forward cast.
If my water-leg starts moving too fast and too early backwards I loose too much energy there and the cast will be ineffective. It easily collapses.
Loading my road can easily be done without water resistant at all.
In an single handed over head cast it's me who loads the road (not the weight of the line). I do that against air resistant + line's and rod's inertia.
Best
Bernd

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:27 pm

The water tension in a roll cast (dynamic or static) doesn't and cannot load the rod. However as we know rod loading is a bit of a red herring anyway and its primary purpose is to turn rotational force at the handle into linear force at the tip.

Cheers, Paul

victor · Post by **victor** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:38 pm

However as we know rod loading is a bit of a red herring anyway and its primary purpose is to turn rotational force at the handle into linear force at the tip.

Is that a throw away comment Paul or has there been a thread I have missed? I had honestly never looked at it like that before.

Mike

Alejandro · Post by **Alejandro** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:14 pm

I agree with Paul. The load-unload of the rod is very useful for us, but I believe that often we forget to point out the reasons.

And the water really loads the rod in a roll cast... during the lift

Alejandro

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:19 pm

Numerous threads over the years. Ian Walker was the first to mention it. Torsten calculated spring energy as 15-20%, leverage 80-85%. Grunde measured it. Gordy graphed it. Leverage is the significant factor in casting, rod bend helps us apply this force in a straighter line.

Cheers, Paul

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:23 pm

And the water really loads the rod in a roll cast... during the lift

Of course, silly me :p

victor · Post by **victor** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:49 pm

Yes, I read those but I have never seen it in the way you wrote it before. It's put things in a different perspective, for me anyway.

Mike

Stoatstail50 · Post by **Stoatstail50** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:15 pm

Paul Arden wrote:Leverage is the significant factor in casting, rod bend helps us apply this force in a straighter line.

Cheers, Paul

This has come up in discusions elsewhere twice in a week for me. I think that some of the key points arising from those old threads should be summarised by someone so that prospective candidates for instructor exams can get a grip on what makes a rod bend and that there is more than one benefit arising from having a bendy rod....

The load-unload of the rod is very useful for us, but I believe that often we forget to point out the reasons.

The rod as a propulsive spring remains a very common and widely accepted concept and its very difficult to dislodge. The problem is that if you do point out the reasons more than half the time no-one actually believes you.

It is a spring of course but its not its propulsive spring power that is of most immediate benefit to us, it is its capacity to smooth out the biomechanical "bumps" that we would otherwise have trying to achieve a SLP if it were a rigid lever.

Basically its a fk of a sight easier on the wrists and arms to cast with a bendy rod as opposed to a rigid one.
Maybe Aitor can bring the one Alejandro made to Germany and anyone who hasn't had a go, can...there is a hospital nearby I think.

victor · Post by **victor** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:09 pm

Once this concept has been pointed out I can see it clearly in my head. My problems start when I try and put it into words.

To the question, what is a loaded rod? A loaded rod is one that is bent against a force applied at the lower end and the mass it is moving at the top end. The purpose is to convert rotational force into linear acceleration of the mass.

Any good?

Mike

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