Piled anchor - effects?

[Aitor]

I have read this on Speypages:

...pile anchor is the twin sister to bloody-L except uh,all the line ends up in a pile at the anchor point....the problem results in an inefficient cast because of excessive line stick...

Is really excessive line stick the result of a piled anchor?
What is your opinion?
Thanks.

[Chris68]

At times for me yes, but not in the classical way of dumping 25ft of fly line down for an anchor and wondering why it sticks, but at other times the final cast resembles the piled anchor, so it doesn't extend fully and lands in a heap

[Aitor]

So if the anchor piles is it more resistant to slipping backwards? My logic tells me that it is the opposite.

[Bernd]

I think the main problem with the piled anchor mostly will be that there is simply too much anchor length being in the water. Trying to only anchor the leader gets difficult if we pile it down.

What is easier to lift on a PUALD a) a straight lay out or a puddle cast lay out?

[springer]

Is really excessive line stick the result of a piled anchor?
What is your opinion?

I guess it would depend on just how 'piled' the anchor was.

The average piled anchor that I see is usually overcome with little more if any extra effort and rarely does it cause excessive line stick. I wouldn't suggest excessive line stick is the biggest problem caused by the average piled anchor but of course its clearly less efficient than a correctly placed and aligned anchor.

[Aitor]

Yes Alan, piled anchors are less efficient, but why?

[Lasse Karlsson]

Slack line....

Cheers
Lasse

[springer]

Slack line as Lasse says is certainly one thing, instability in the forward loop is another.

[scotty9]

Slack line as Lasse says is certainly one thing, instability in the forward loop is another.

Wouldn't that be due to the slack line in the piled anchor though?

[Stoatstail50]

Yes Alan, piled anchors are less efficient, but why?

Because the mass of the line piled on the water isn't in the D loop where it should be.

[easterncaster]

a piled anchor is just a skagit cast waiting to be completed :p

[Paul Arden]

It's funny how years ago we used to teach the piled anchor!

[Aitor]

It's funny how years ago we used to teach the piled anchor!

To achieve what, Paul?

[Paul Arden]

In Spey casting it was the accepted method of anchor positioning. I don't think it achieved anything, but it's only comparatively recently have we really concentrated on how the anchor looks.

Cheers, Paul

[Malcolm]

The piled anchor is sometimes the only choice in small overgrown rivers where there is no room for a Dloop as the obvious alternative long anchor means the fly undercutting the rod leg on change of direction.

The big problem is that the amount of water adhesion is heightened as the piled anchor loops tend to sink especially when used in conjunction with the weighted fly. So there is a fine balance to be struck between the amount of line in the water to be countered by the limited amoiunt of energy that can be forced into the tiny Dloop. As rhe energy in the line is so low this means that often the fly ends up struggling to get off the water and is lobbed rather than cast with authority.