ticking - on long carries

[John Waters]

On viewing it again, probably wasn't worth the post.

John

[Gavin Davis]

Double posted me again John

[John Waters]

Interesting to see the height of the line as it passes each caster.

[Fraser Perry]

Interesting to see the height of the line as it passes each caster.

Indeed. Very interesting.

[Marc LaMouche]

i was wondering if line and leader profile and fluff volume might have any incidence as well ?
i seem to remember getting a steeper angled 'dangle' and more ticks when casting without fluff on the end of the leader.

cheers,
marc

[John Waters]

Good point Marc, I always have a fly or fluff attached. Sure makes a difference at the very end on the backcast.

John

[John Waters]

Indeed. Very interesting.

At what height does your line pass your body Fraser?

John

[Paul Arden]

Fuck, there you go with the pink again Bernd. :p

[gordonjudd]

there you go with the pink again Bernd.

Paul,
Color choice aside, I do think it shows how the dip in the line that you see at the start of the backcast below:

Propagates down the line as you make the backcast. As noted in the "dangle" thread I think that wave eventually gets trapped at the end of the line and becomes the tip dangle that is so hard to get rid of in long carries.

Bernd, hard data is a rare commodity in these discussions, so thank you for taking the time to prepare some. I know what it takes to process frame grabs using Photoshop, so thank you for taking the time to illustrate what you are talking about.

Gordy

[Paul Arden]

I agree Gordy, but I also believe that you can create the dangle with even a perfectly straight line. Since an effective casting stroke is always domed slightly (or significantly) this will aways create such a transverse wave in the fly leg. Of course under such circumstances the dangle may be less, but never fully removed.

Cheers, Paul

[Gavin Davis]

Fuck, there you go with the pink again Bernd. :p

Nothing wrong with a bit of pink :O

[Bernd]

I agree Gordy, but I also believe that you can create the dangle with even a perfectly straight line. Since an effective casting stroke is always domed slightly (or significantly) this will aways create such a transverse wave in the fly leg. Of course under such circumstances the dangle may be less, but never fully removed.

Cheers, Paul

Hi Paul,
that makes sense to me since our tip path will not be straight as well.
I am pretty sure in fly casting there is no straight.
If the line is (almost) straight in the air and we rise the tip slightly when starting to accel. the redirection of the line will be started on just the first part of line behind the tip again. The dangle will be smaller here but will happen, too.

Have you tried to get the line sack opposite directed to gravity (just when starting accel.)?
Greets
Bernd

[Paul Arden]

No I haven't, but it must be possible with a USD loop. Have you?

[Bernd]

Yes I have. There are different ways. Same as for curves/bows.
The serious issue of controlling starts on long carries again... too much time for gravity I think.

However it's an interesting exercise to play with on short to medium length.
Greets
Bernd

p.s.: How was EWF?

[Paul Arden]

It was a good show. I think only one CCI passed and no MCI, but I'm not 100% sure . Lots of casting. I didn't hang around the show much, just with the casters.

Cheers, Paul