Out of interest, have you tried casting a full line on a far stiffer rod and casting it the same way you cast a shooting head? I've been getting some very good full line distances like this recently and I track far better.
I agree with what you are saying re differences but I'm not very good either
Yes Ben. Was throwing the Rio Comp5 on a TCX10 last summer for a couple of months and had to do the same. I think that's necessary otherwise the tip domes. I found casting that rig very hard on the elbow however.
I think I might start throwing the T38, Ben, because I'm not very good either. I've watched Peter Hayes throw the thing over trees, Jacko chuck it a seriously long way and spent some quality time with John Waters. Mike Marshall is pretty outstanding too. I'd really like to get to grips with the stroke. Something for next summer maybe
Yup Barrio GT125 #7 on an Orvis Access 912 is a superb combination for me but I cannot cast it for an hour or more solid like I can with the same line on a softer rod. It hurts even after lifting some weights
Not played with a 5 line on a 10wt rod as much yet but I expect the results to be the same. I find 120' with a "head" stroke far easier to achieve using a 5 line on a stiff rod than I do using a longer or more conventional stroke on a 5 rated rod.
Morsie wrote:Lasse, very few good casters I come across have any immediate understanding of overhang but the big issue I see is trajectory. Most who pick up a head for the first time will crash it into the water about 60 feet out. It has the potential to go further with considerably less energy input because of the reduced friction of the running line, so less power, lower backcast, high aimed forward cast, more flight time longer distance.
Morsie
Hi Peter
What you're talking about is a typical trout fisher who can't cast further than 60 feet, the trajectory doesn't change regardless of what we choose to call our lines.
A nice slick runningline has almost the same friction as a mono shootingline, the mono just weighs less than half of the coated line and that might have a bigger impact on distance than the friction part, but I know that it's always the friction that is quoted to be the biggest factor. Some here even argue that the rod leg will overtake the flyleg because of the reduced friction :p
The energy input doesn't become less for more distance, we're not having some sort of magic going on here
And higher forward cast does not equal longer distance unless you're having a howling gale from behind, when the loop has run out, we only get a very small increase in distance depending on conditions and that is the same for both types of line.
Paul Arden wrote:My loops with a MED can start off 20ft wide!
Could you show us?
I've been thinking about that 20 foot initial lop you claim for the last couple of hours, and something just doesn't add up in my math, so I would really like to be proved wrong
And as I saw in Serbia, you don't change a thing casting a shootinghead and a longbelly full line, that part must surely be in your imagination
Here's your delivery loop in Serbia, I know it's unfair because you didn't throw your best, the sun was in your eyes, the line was stuck on the grass! etc. Oh and I beat you :p
It looks to be around little over 5 feet given you're 6 foot something on a good hairday. The orange line is a comparable 20 foot loop app. really looking forward to your pic
