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Principles - how many
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Principles - how many
Just to settle a debate, how many and what are the principles of spey casting?
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Square to the target, D loop downwind, 180 anchor alignment, waterborne anchor for heavy flies and sink tips - would be a good start. That would be my top level teaching principles anyway. For the next level we could probably expand to one or two dozen. And then I'm sure we could make about 50 others. Would certainly be an interesting exercise. Shall we do it?
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I might add: Aim to maintain line tension at all times.
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Paul Arden wrote:Square to the target, D loop downwind, 180 anchor alignment, waterborne anchor for heavy flies and sink tips - would be a good start. That would be my top level teaching principles anyway. For the next level we could probably expand to one or two dozen. And then I'm sure we could make about 50 others. Would certainly be an interesting exercise. Shall we do it?
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Yes you should definitely do that exercise.
Basic Spey casting information is fairly hard to find. Finding quality advanced Spey casting information is even harder.
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Apart from the basic principles which apply to any casting stroke I would add:
1.- An anchor as short as possible (just long enough to prevent it slipping backwards).
2.- A rod leg of the D loop as long as possible (but not so long that the anchor fails, or lifts from the water before finishing the casting stroke).
3.- Rod leg and fly leg of the D loop as parallel and as close to each other as possible, and pointing directly to the target.
1.- An anchor as short as possible (just long enough to prevent it slipping backwards).
2.- A rod leg of the D loop as long as possible (but not so long that the anchor fails, or lifts from the water before finishing the casting stroke).
3.- Rod leg and fly leg of the D loop as parallel and as close to each other as possible, and pointing directly to the target.
Aitor is not like us, he is Spanish, and therefore completely mad.
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The classical spey cast sweeps around the body with the rod moving around up to almost 270 deg. However it is easy to align the anchor with a flip of the rod tip over the wrong shoulder part way through the sweep phase with the anchor landing downstream exactly like a double spey (without the double sweep of the double spey) - would this still be a spey cast or is the 270 deg sweep around the body one of the principles?
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Hi Mike,
I call it "easy teaching concepts":
>> 180° concept = D-loop + anchor + forward cast in one plane with the target
>> anchor as small and as flat as possible (of course it should almost not slip backwards)
>> biggest D-loop you have room for makes the forward cast more efficient for distance
>> position the final D-loop on the off-wind side
>> "back, back, up" for the D set up (up-movement during the last third of the stroke)
>> start with "kiss & go" and improve with "go & kiss"
>> aim for a high apex of the D (thanks Tony Riley )
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I call it "easy teaching concepts":
>> 180° concept = D-loop + anchor + forward cast in one plane with the target
>> anchor as small and as flat as possible (of course it should almost not slip backwards)
>> biggest D-loop you have room for makes the forward cast more efficient for distance
>> position the final D-loop on the off-wind side
>> "back, back, up" for the D set up (up-movement during the last third of the stroke)
>> start with "kiss & go" and improve with "go & kiss"
>> aim for a high apex of the D (thanks Tony Riley )
Greets
Bernd
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How do you teach that?Aitor wrote:2.- A rod leg of the D loop as long as possible (but not so long that the anchor fails, or lifts from the water before finishing the casting stroke).
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Paul Arden wrote:Square to the target
Hi Paul,
let's assume you do a Double Spey cast:
First lay will be squared to the target. Then change of direction about 90 degrees into the (final) D-loop and final forward cast.
How about if you don't aim to get squared with the first lay but some additional degrees in order to have less change of direction into the final D-loop.
Would that help for tension and 180° concept in the D set up?
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Bernd wrote:Aitor wrote:2.- A rod leg of the D loop as long as possible (but not so long that the anchor fails, or lifts from the water before finishing the casting stroke).
How do you teach that?
I am not a casting instructor anymore, you know? Or that is what FFF says. :p
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Cheers, Paul
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How about full sinking lines?Paul Arden wrote:waterborne anchor for heavy flies and sink tips
So no Switch cast / Jump roll with a sinktip line?
(Don't tell me a Jump roll is no Spey cast :p )
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The FFF tells you who you are?Aitor wrote:I am not a casting instructor anymore, you know? Or that is what FFF says. :pBernd wrote:How do you teach that?Aitor wrote:2.- A rod leg of the D loop as long as possible (but not so long that the anchor fails, or lifts from the water before finishing the casting stroke).
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