"You are not allowed to fish here without a guide"

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:26 pm

What do you guys think about this? My automatic reaction is "and why not?"

I suspect I may have some interesting times ahead!

Cheers, Paul

TrevH · Post by **TrevH** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:36 pm

I would have thought that would be most people's reaction. What might be valid reasons? Safety, one?

Where did you see it?

Marc LaMouche · Post by **Marc LaMouche** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:37 pm

private or public waters ?

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:12 am

Well, Quebec for example.

Bernd · Post by **Bernd** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:49 am

Paul Arden wrote:What do you guys think about this?

I think, I may go back Steelheading in BC as soon as they change the rule not to be allowed fishing on my own over the whole weekends.
With such a rule I don't feel welcome.
Hiring a guide is great. But I want it as my free choice!
Greets
B

Al Greig · Post by **Al Greig** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:44 am

I think you should just tell them that you do have a Guide, and that -

a) he'll be along later, or
b) he's hiding in the bushes, or
c) he's your Spirit Guide, and only you can see him.

Is this an "official" position, or a private capture type deal?

petevicar · Post by **petevicar** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:31 am

There are a few places, Quebec is one, where people from out of state must use a guide. I think it is some sort of job creation scheme. I am sure that some Canadian members can explain properly.
In Iceland, on most salmon rivers, most foreigners must use a guide. Icelandics do not have to.

On many islands in the Bahamas, DIY fishing is not allowed.
On Cuba there a monopoly is rapidly developing where you are only allowed to fish through Avalon.

There are different reasons in different places. Ranging from employment to corruption to getting money from foreigners.

It's a load of bollox it just makes fishing more expensive and more private.

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:34 am

It's official. Some Slovenian waters are the same. The reason it's come up is because one of the dams in Malaysia require that anglers are guided. I'm waiting to hear back if it's possible to become a guide or if I need be an aboriginal or Malaysian. There may be other reasons here; in that the lake borders Thailand and/or that there are tigers in the bush.

Cheers, Paul

_Ré · Post by **_Ré** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:59 am

In Slovenia the rule applies for hucho fishing because it is dangerous. Locals are not allowed to fish alone either, they have to do it in pairs or with someone accompanying them.

foreignmuck · Post by **foreignmuck** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:34 pm

petevicar wrote:There are different reasons in different places. Ranging from employment to corruption to getting money from foreigners.

It's a load of bollox it just makes fishing more expensive and more private.

What he said.

I must admit having tried a day guided bonefishing in Cuba (not Avalon) I was pleasantly surprised by the whole thing. I didn't walk away feeling that I had just paid someone to have all the fun ie find fish and stalk and hunt while all I needed to do was prove I could make a few semi accurate 40 to 60 ft casts and wind a reel. Although that's probably what actually happened. :p
The reason I went to Cayo Coco is that there is still the option of solo fishing which to me is essential as part of the experience (and financially too!). It seems that most of the fishing in the rest of cuba is owned by Avalon though and the only way to legally fish is with one of their guides.

Viva la Monopoly Capitalism!!

Bernd · Post by **Bernd** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:44 pm

petevicar wrote:I think it is some sort of job creation scheme. I am sure that some Canadian members can explain properly.

It's a load of bollox it just makes fishing more expensive and more private.

Hi Peter,
yes, and it especially makes OTHER destinations more attractive to a lot of fishermen.
I doubt that such regulations will increase but decrease business for local guides.

In some regions there may be serious good reasons for such a rule (like safety).

About BC I was told (by locals) that there was a huge discussion about the high fishing pressure on weekends that a lot of locals did not like at all.
I was told that this was the start of what has ended in such rule for foreigners.
Greets
Bernd

Paul Arden · Post by **Paul Arden** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:16 pm

Hmmm. That's not very nice. I'm surprised that's even legal to be honest.

Cheers, Paul

alp · Post by **alp** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:43 pm

_Ré wrote:In Slovenia the rule applies for hucho fishing because it is dangerous. Locals are not allowed to fish alone either, they have to do it in pairs or with someone accompanying them.

It's not because it's dangerous. The reason is poaching and not following the fishing regulations. These guys in Slovenia take care of their fish, hucho especially, and had some bad experiences in former Yugoslavia. That is the main reason why they have introduced such rule many years ago. However this slovenian guides are skilled anglers and very pleasant company. They know every fish in the river and can certainly help in case of some unexpected troubles.

Chris Dore · Post by **Chris Dore** » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:07 am

What if you show up the required guide? Do you still have to pay?

THE DOG · Post by **THE DOG** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:41 pm

Paul, and that confuses you in fishing with a guide? I ask as a guide)))
We have rules on the rivers mandatory fishing with a guide and at the same time, there are options when the guide is not necessary.

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