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andy_with_a_rod · Post by **andy_with_a_rod** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:16 pm

so the bloke xl50 8#

immense power, casts from the middle as much as the top
could handle heavier lines comfortably
a rod for a caster with excellent line speeds?

ta
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Magnus · Post by **Magnus** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:55 pm

You're getting the idea. (The Bloke also snaps if you try and lift a 30lb King salmon

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andy_with_a_rod · Post by **andy_with_a_rod** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:33 pm

Magnus wrote:You're getting the idea. (The Bloke also snaps if you try and lift a 30lb King salmon )

voice of experience magnus? I've never even seen a bloke rod before, im so un-cultured!

ive got a richard woolley 7' custom split cane that is so slow it almost goes backwards, im gonna try it with that first if i get chance.

Magnus · Post by **Magnus** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:26 am

Sadly that was the downfall of one Bloke #8.

Cane rods tend to be low stiffness but the action is sometimes deceptive - can be faster than you expect. The big difference is weight, cane is solid. A frequency test should be revealing.

Honestly, CCS measurements are not difficult. Takes a bit of patience and practice is all. When you're set to go let me know and I'll give you the spreadsheets you need and I can run you though the routine.

kmckiou · Post by **kmckiou** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:18 am

Oops. Made a mistake on an entry. Entry 288 should be 9' 0" not 8' 0". Sorry - fat-fingered it. Can I correct it?

Eric · Post by **Eric** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:51 am

Hi Kevin,
Fixed =) and thanks for the contribution

Welcome to loops!

I'm afraid you've started down the long dark path (look out for Lars)

kmckiou · Post by **kmckiou** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:14 pm

Eric,
Thanks for the correction and welcome. Yes, this may be a long dark path. I'm trying to pace myself. I made a small stream rod for my Dad for spring in WI and the experience seems to have taught me one thing. If you are going to use a commercial blank, it doesn't seem there is enough difference in cost of making a rod vs buying one to make it worthwhile, unless you just really like doing it. This is doubly true if you are willing to pick up a good used rod.

One thing I have been curious about, though (here is my dark path)...While I see people building rods from commercially available blanks, I have not seen anyone making their own blanks or modifying existing blanks. In a previous hobby cycle, I did a lot of carbon fiber, foam and fiberglass fabrication for very light model gliders. It sure seems like it would be easy enough to tailor an inexpensive blank with readily available materials.

For example, you really don't have to have the same thickness material all the way around the blank (or even a round shape). You could easily make a rod more stiff in one plane (heck, one direction in one plane) if you wanted to. All the extra material 90 degrees from the bending axes is mostly dead weight (I would think). Has anyone done some experimenting with this sort of thing?

- Kevin

Eric · Post by **Eric** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:48 pm

I'm not sure I've heard about anyone here making thier own blanks! Maybe rod makers magazine would have some info. Do you have a cork tree in your backyard for the grip?

kmckiou · Post by **kmckiou** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:34 am

Eric wrote:I'm not sure I've heard about anyone here making thier own blanks! Maybe rod makers magazine would have some info. Do you have a cork tree in your backyard for the grip?

I'm not really talking about making my own blanks. Though that is possible, it would be much more work than simply modifying existing blanks - which is what I am suggesting. For example, would be pretty easy to add stiffness by using CA to attach a strip of carbon fiber uni-directional cloth to the spine of a rod. It seems to me, with this method, you could 'tune' just about any rod.

- Kevin

flyfisher666 · Post by **flyfisher666** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:03 pm

Made a mistake when making som entries (sorry).
ern-values for entry 298,299 and 300 is ten times to big.
Can I correct this? If not, could you?

Joakim

P.S. I also noticed that the spelling on entry 300 came out a bit akward. I suppose the name could be written stromslandan instead.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:58 pm

Hi Magnus.
Your last entry on the database trigged my interest.
Unusual action allright. :oh:
AA = 50
Do you care to tell a little bit about it?
Any information would be appreciated.

Tom.

Magnus · Post by **Magnus** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:24 am

Hi Tom

Yup - unusual rod - I reviewed it a few issues back in FF&FT.
Nearest I can describe is it reminds me of some bamboo rods without the wobble caused by brass ferrules. The tip is heavy, the bend starts deeper in the rod than we normally get. At short range the distribution of inertia means it feels like I'm casting the rod not the line, which is riding along like a passenger. That means with a light line there is more feel, more sense of loading and unloading and the line simply does what its told.

With a longer line I can feel the rod loading against the line and its surprisingly easy to throw a decent length.

Just picking up the rod and casting, my inclination was to over-line the rod. Out of respect for Sandy and Mike I tried it their way and think I get what they are doing. It runs completely counter to the lighter/faster thinking that dominates rod design - even cane/bamboo rod design.

If you want more info the makers are members of this Board - or check
http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/online-fishing-tackle-shop.html
or
http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:56 pm

Magnus.
Thanks a lot for the info.

Tom.

potterpoole · Post by **potterpoole** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:40 am

Anyone have the frequency data on a sage xp #5 9'?

Merlin · Post by **Merlin** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:04 am

From memory 2.6 Hz. I do not have my files with me.
Merlin

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